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there are -- boehner says down payment now. buy the boehner down payment zbh i don't like the down payment. i would be sorely disappointed if we missed this opportunity. i think somebody was telling me today the budget act of 1990 took 12 days to put in place. we know what all the issues are. i hope we won't be lacking courage just to go ahead and deal with big pieces of this. so -- i am in a different place than you on this. i think we ought to deal a -- in a big way with the fiscal reform. >> you want to grant design. that's very -- interesting point of view. >> doesn't have to be grand. we play to take two bites at it, debt ceiling coming up which i think, by the way, debt ceiling is the more important day personally than the fiscal cliff issue because we are not fiscal cliff is not going to happen. okay. simply is not going to happen. so -- to me, the focus ought to be on solvency and if we can deal with that and take a big step out of that, big step towards solving that, during this december, i agree with you. i think the
there are -- boehner says down payment now. buy the boehner down payment zbh i don't like the down payment. i would be sorely disappointed if we missed this opportunity. i think somebody was telling me today the budget act of 1990 took 12 days to put in place. we know what all the issues are. i hope we won't be lacking courage just to go ahead and deal with big pieces of this. so -- i am in a different place than you on this. i think we ought to deal a -- in a big way with the fiscal reform....
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you ask yourself, what's it worth when boehner, pelosi, mcconnell, and reed all start talking nice to each other? it's worth 120 points on the dow. we're not far from the highs of the day. some hope we can get a modest rally. the vix has really collapsed going into the close. we're near the lows for the week on the vix. some of those closed end funds like pimco, high yield, phk also doing a little better today. finally, i'm going to mention home builders also a doing better on the day. back to you. >> okay. thank you very much, bob. well, thanksgiving is less than a week away, and the trend is growing for stores like walmart to be open for business that day. shoppers seem to love it, but workers, for obvious reasons, do not. >> yeah, some walmart workers are now pledging to walk out if they are forced to work on that holiday. walmart has already said they plan to open at 8:00 p.m. on thanksgiving. joining us now, a husband and wife, greg and charr lean fletcher, both employees of walmart. both scheduled to work different shifts on thanksgiving day. we welcome you. greg, you have said
you ask yourself, what's it worth when boehner, pelosi, mcconnell, and reed all start talking nice to each other? it's worth 120 points on the dow. we're not far from the highs of the day. some hope we can get a modest rally. the vix has really collapsed going into the close. we're near the lows for the week on the vix. some of those closed end funds like pimco, high yield, phk also doing a little better today. finally, i'm going to mention home builders also a doing better on the day. back to...
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and boehner, speaker john boehner, spoke today and said, wait, just cool your jets. we've got a lot of negotiating to do. they're not going to let that happen. but the stock market may be telling us that the house in checkmate will wind up with a recession from the fiscal cliff. in other words, no deal making means bad recession. is that a scenario -- is that what the market's telling us? >> i think you're dead on. if you look at what's happened, real incomes have fallen much more during the recovery than they did during the preceding recession. 4.8% down versus 2.7% down. unemployment is higher now than when the president first took office. what's made people feel good is a rising stock market. they felt wealthier. now with all these big tax increases coming on on capital gains and dividends, people don't feel that anymore. the significance of this poll, larry, is it's the first poll taken after the election. and the rhetoric has been very strong, also from harry reid. remember, when it looked like romney might win, he said there's going to be in reaching across the
and boehner, speaker john boehner, spoke today and said, wait, just cool your jets. we've got a lot of negotiating to do. they're not going to let that happen. but the stock market may be telling us that the house in checkmate will wind up with a recession from the fiscal cliff. in other words, no deal making means bad recession. is that a scenario -- is that what the market's telling us? >> i think you're dead on. if you look at what's happened, real incomes have fallen much more during...
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how will it affect the upcoming talks with john boehner? two top-tier negotiators give their insight into how the meeting could unfold. >>> and trading places. charles schwab ceo talks exclues i havely to maria about the current crisis of confidence in the stock market. could a deal on the looming fiscal cliff be just the shot in the arm sagging equities need? that and a whole lot more is ahead on the "closing bell." >>> all right. we want to show you a live picture of the white house. we are waiting for the ceos to start tricking out of the white house. they are in a meeting right now with president obama talking about the fiscal cliff, talking about ways to get the deficit and debt situation in this country in order. as soon as those ceos start coming out, they include the ceo of honeywell, ibm, a number of ceos in industrial businesses. of course, the only financial services representation there is american express. no other bank was invited to this meeting. as soon as these guys and gals start walking out, we'll bring you some interview
how will it affect the upcoming talks with john boehner? two top-tier negotiators give their insight into how the meeting could unfold. >>> and trading places. charles schwab ceo talks exclues i havely to maria about the current crisis of confidence in the stock market. could a deal on the looming fiscal cliff be just the shot in the arm sagging equities need? that and a whole lot more is ahead on the "closing bell." >>> all right. we want to show you a live picture...
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what did traders seem to say as you were getting comments from reid, pelosi, boehner and mcconnell? >> trading's so low on the lower end of the trading range, i mentioned yesterday, scott, 1340. we flirted with it today. 1343 the low in the cash. we bounced from there. bounce levels are 1370, 1395. the fact that we're just shy of that, just means that everyone is a little suspect of what's truly going to happen once these fiscal cliff dialogues ratchet up. i would be a seller of these bounces. >> what a significant pop seeing in the stock market, guys. throw up the dow industrials on an intraday. in fact, throw up all three intraday charts because you're going to see quite a dramatic reversal. the dow industrials up 48 points. highs of the day, again, down 50 to 60 points or so as the wraps wrapping up and positive comments of the leaders in the room with the president today. unless you have a rally on wall street and let's get to washington to the north lawn of the white house where john harwood is. this seemed to go as well as one could hope thus far, at least. >> reporter: i thin
what did traders seem to say as you were getting comments from reid, pelosi, boehner and mcconnell? >> trading's so low on the lower end of the trading range, i mentioned yesterday, scott, 1340. we flirted with it today. 1343 the low in the cash. we bounced from there. bounce levels are 1370, 1395. the fact that we're just shy of that, just means that everyone is a little suspect of what's truly going to happen once these fiscal cliff dialogues ratchet up. i would be a seller of these...
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boehner are accurate, the dems are moving away from that. the president and the democrats seem to be moving away from that. why do you think that is, and is this important? >> let's assume for a second the president is right and we need $1.5 trillion of revenue. now, i think there's a better way to get there and a different way to get there. the president, you know, i think is open to some of these ideas. but if we're going to have $1.5 trillion worth of revenue, we need about $3.5 trillion worth of real spending cuts. that would come from defense. it would come from entitlement programs. it would come from the other mandatory programs. that's what makes the most sense to take it from because those are the areas that are really growing at an accelerated rate, faster than the rate of growth of health care. i think that's doable. i think we can find the votes to do that because i think the american people are way ahead of the politicians. they realize we got a real problem in this country and we got to fix it. >> what do you think, senator? i
boehner are accurate, the dems are moving away from that. the president and the democrats seem to be moving away from that. why do you think that is, and is this important? >> let's assume for a second the president is right and we need $1.5 trillion of revenue. now, i think there's a better way to get there and a different way to get there. the president, you know, i think is open to some of these ideas. but if we're going to have $1.5 trillion worth of revenue, we need about $3.5...
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speaker boehner has said this. let's change the tax code. let's do something much broader base, lower those rates. a lot of folks are going to pay substantially more taxes because their special tax deductions will go away but we'll have a growth oriented tax system. >> congressman, i couldn't agree with you more, because we know the federal government spends $10 billion a day. the buffett rule, whatever you want to call it, maybe a week to two weeks of operating income for the government. i get that point. where will the other money come from? can you be specific? >> well, here's the reality. if you and i were to look at a chart and outside political rhetoric -- just put on our green eye shades and just be mathematicians. the problem is in the promises we made in entitlements, there's no money to pay for them. the medicare trust fund may only have a few years left and it's gone! because the incredible rate we're spending. if we do not hear the president talk about entitlements in that case he's just continuing his campaign of misinformation.
speaker boehner has said this. let's change the tax code. let's do something much broader base, lower those rates. a lot of folks are going to pay substantially more taxes because their special tax deductions will go away but we'll have a growth oriented tax system. >> congressman, i couldn't agree with you more, because we know the federal government spends $10 billion a day. the buffett rule, whatever you want to call it, maybe a week to two weeks of operating income for the government....
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. >> we made a lot, at least those of us in the media, made a lot last week of speaker boehner's references to an openness to increasing revenue to the government. whether this was an affirmative desire to do that as a result of a tax reform or sort of a secondary effect of reducing rates and creating more economic growth is a little bit unclear here, but how encouraged are you from the words that the speaker has been saying and that others on the gop side have been saying about an openness really to raising revenue as part of a bargain? >> well, the tone was right. i think that that is something that certainly should be being a flojed. because there is no question when you heard the language after the statement we want to -- we're willing to see new revenues, what speaker boehner said and what the republicans are saying is that in fact the revenues can only come from economic growth. now of course as democrats we also believe in economic growth, growing jobs but we also say that we do need some hard revenues in the short term if we're going to be serious about bringing down this deficit an
. >> we made a lot, at least those of us in the media, made a lot last week of speaker boehner's references to an openness to increasing revenue to the government. whether this was an affirmative desire to do that as a result of a tax reform or sort of a secondary effect of reducing rates and creating more economic growth is a little bit unclear here, but how encouraged are you from the words that the speaker has been saying and that others on the gop side have been saying about an...
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two, house leader boehner has to get re-elected by his party in january. he's not going to put a big deal in front of that. flip side is, no deal. i don't think the president will let that happen because he doesn't want to start his second term as president the way he started the first which was in a recession. but finally, what people fail to forget -- congress needs to go home for holidays. if they go home with no deal they will be criticized by their constituents. >> there are very few working days left when congress comes back from this thanksgiving break. >> remember what happened. t.a.r.p.? they didn't approve it. went home for the holidays, got criticized, came back and approved it. >> you see some stort of stopgap that averts the immediate tax hikes an spending cuts as of january 1, and that there is then some commitment to do a broader tax reform in 2013. >> correct. >> and that might be tied to raising of the debt ceiling. might'nt it. >> i think that's the next big date, mid-february when the treasury runs out of money, the debt ceiling is hit.
two, house leader boehner has to get re-elected by his party in january. he's not going to put a big deal in front of that. flip side is, no deal. i don't think the president will let that happen because he doesn't want to start his second term as president the way he started the first which was in a recession. but finally, what people fail to forget -- congress needs to go home for holidays. if they go home with no deal they will be criticized by their constituents. >> there are very few...
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that's what boehner wants to do. what boehner said the day after the zbl the -- >> no, let me pick you up on that. that would be very bullish. i happen to totally agree with you. and that's exactly what speaker john boehner wants to do. that is precisely what he wants to do. essentially have tax reform and have entitlement reform and have it laid out so it it all gets done next year. this year is the down payment. >> that's right. >> now, don, is it too early, though, to make a bet on any of this? that's really what i'm asking. between now and year end, when the bush tax cuts expire at year end, what's a stock market investor to do? you're going to go up, you're going to go down. you saw today you had a is 00-point swing. but that's no way to be invested. what is your advice on how investors play this fiscal debate? >> i understand the sentiment that the wise thing to do is to take a long-term perspective. but every once in a while we experienced this in the summer of 2008. we're experiencing it again now. every once
that's what boehner wants to do. what boehner said the day after the zbl the -- >> no, let me pick you up on that. that would be very bullish. i happen to totally agree with you. and that's exactly what speaker john boehner wants to do. that is precisely what he wants to do. essentially have tax reform and have entitlement reform and have it laid out so it it all gets done next year. this year is the down payment. >> that's right. >> now, don, is it too early, though, to make...
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the president didn't offer any specific thing along the lines what have we heard from john boehner last week, okay, we're there on reven on the table, we'll meet you there. i didn't hear any specific -- >> don't we already have a structure? wasn't that erskine-bowles? it is another committee. >> it is a step back i think from the idea of a deal right now that would trade entitlement reform for tax increases. it sounds to me like it's tax increases for the wealthy in return for a commitment to discuss entitlement reform. >> what you did hear from the president is a statement that the american people knew what they were get what they re-elected me. he also said there is a big contrast between me and mitt romney on the campaign trail and i'm the guy who won the election. >> as one of our smart viewers tweeted in which i thought was so smart -- it's all fun and games until you have to name specific entitlements you want to cut. right? we need more specifics from both sides. all right, going to a break here but after the break, steve leisman, stick around. we also have something today called
the president didn't offer any specific thing along the lines what have we heard from john boehner last week, okay, we're there on reven on the table, we'll meet you there. i didn't hear any specific -- >> don't we already have a structure? wasn't that erskine-bowles? it is another committee. >> it is a step back i think from the idea of a deal right now that would trade entitlement reform for tax increases. it sounds to me like it's tax increases for the wealthy in return for a...
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. >> what kind of hand does john boehner have? where sg it leave him and his ability to control the tea party wing? >> it actually puts skron boehner in a good position because during the debt ceiling talks last year, he had a lot of push back from the very far right of his party in the house. the tea party caucus, for example. this time around we won't see the same dynamic at all because the tea party caucus and far right have lost a lot of political capital in light of the election. so what we've already seen is speaker boehner talking to republicans in the house, putting his foot down early and saying we're not going to have that same push back we saw. instead, i'm going to tell you what we're going to do and what this deal is going to look like and you'll fall into line. >> he got criticism because he negotiated a deal and then went back and tried to sell to the party. does he naed to do he need to d way around, get a set position and then go into discussions? >> i think that is the thinking this time around. and he has certai
. >> what kind of hand does john boehner have? where sg it leave him and his ability to control the tea party wing? >> it actually puts skron boehner in a good position because during the debt ceiling talks last year, he had a lot of push back from the very far right of his party in the house. the tea party caucus, for example. this time around we won't see the same dynamic at all because the tea party caucus and far right have lost a lot of political capital in light of the...
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>> yeah, from boehner i am. the president has now painted himself -- painted those guys in to -- how many times has he drawn a line in the sand about that high right on 250. he's made a point and he can't possibly go back on that now, can he? >> i think he can. look, i think he's drawing a line on getting money from those people, there people making 250 and above. but he hasn't drawn a line on how he gets that money. he's said at his news conference i'm skeptical that you can do enough in loopholes and exclusions to get the money that we need for a deal from that group. but he also said i'm open to new ideas. so if there is in fact an effort to close some loopholes that gets you some of the way there, you can certainly see the president, i could anyway, compromising somewhere between 35 and 39.6 on a slightly higher rate. if shall be caomebody came up w source of revenue which didn't change the distribution of the tax burden, figure out a way to do it without a top rate. i kind of expect what's going to happen i
>> yeah, from boehner i am. the president has now painted himself -- painted those guys in to -- how many times has he drawn a line in the sand about that high right on 250. he's made a point and he can't possibly go back on that now, can he? >> i think he can. look, i think he's drawing a line on getting money from those people, there people making 250 and above. but he hasn't drawn a line on how he gets that money. he's said at his news conference i'm skeptical that you can do...
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he meets with harry reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner and in an say palau and i. in an say pelosi. speaking on on thursday, simpson and bowles said washington hasn't been able to resolve the fiscal cliff because lawmakers haven't been focused on what's right for the country. >> leaders think it would be to their advantage to go off the fiscal cliff. what a wonderful trait that is, that we can win more as democrats if we let it go or more as complains. people are sick of that and they're ashamed of it. >> if we do get our house in order, future of america is really bright. if we don't, we're well on our way it to becoming a second rate power. >> bowles sees a one third chan of a deal during the lame duck session of congress. a one third chance nothing gets done and the economy moves into chaos. let's hear in michael gurhka. the economy moving in to chaos, is that why we're seeing this market action? >> i'm not surprised because on the equity side, it's always about confidence and right now a lot of politicians have not given the market any confidence whatsoever. so
he meets with harry reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner and in an say palau and i. in an say pelosi. speaking on on thursday, simpson and bowles said washington hasn't been able to resolve the fiscal cliff because lawmakers haven't been focused on what's right for the country. >> leaders think it would be to their advantage to go off the fiscal cliff. what a wonderful trait that is, that we can win more as democrats if we let it go or more as complains. people are sick of that and they're...
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president obama and john boehner almost got a deal in 2011. that's a place to pick up the discussions and i think you saw the president econfident there just winning the election there and house republicans back in the majority in the house and that's the dance to the finish line and i think they will. >> politico talked about whether or not the white house has learned its lesson in going into a room, a bunker, with the speaker, since it didn't work out the way they wanted last time around. do you think the president will be as involved or can he hand this off to someone else to negotiate? >> i think he'll be as involved. i think he'll be involved inside the room and outside of the room. the strategic turn the president made in fall of 2011 after the failure of the talks, he took the case to the public. i don't think he'll stop doing that. he'll try to keep the pressure on say i got mandate to raise taxes for people at the top. if you are willing to accept that, we'll get a deal. >> there code words you'll look for afterwards to see whether or
president obama and john boehner almost got a deal in 2011. that's a place to pick up the discussions and i think you saw the president econfident there just winning the election there and house republicans back in the majority in the house and that's the dance to the finish line and i think they will. >> politico talked about whether or not the white house has learned its lesson in going into a room, a bunker, with the speaker, since it didn't work out the way they wanted last time...
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can boehner get there if that's the case? >> if you look at eliminations of deductions, exemptions, credits, it doesn't get to you where we need to comply with the budget control act so the fact that we are examining an opportunity to perhaps look at either on higher income earners, whether it's $1 million or higher as opposed to marrying ourselves to 250 is a step in the right direction. i think the fact that there is discussion on this front initiated by the speaker and behind closed doors we'll get in detail. for the first time we're close and why throw away the opportunity. >> can i just mention how many jokes joe would have made about being behind closeds doors and consummating and that whole thing and that's why joe needs to be on the show and he's not. i'm doing a poor job that he would have made seven or eight jokes would have been made. let me just ask jared, the 39.6 in my mind seems like it is a bottom line, a starting point an an end point for the president. can you envision a deal being done on the fiscal cliff t
can boehner get there if that's the case? >> if you look at eliminations of deductions, exemptions, credits, it doesn't get to you where we need to comply with the budget control act so the fact that we are examining an opportunity to perhaps look at either on higher income earners, whether it's $1 million or higher as opposed to marrying ourselves to 250 is a step in the right direction. i think the fact that there is discussion on this front initiated by the speaker and behind closed...
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this was the secret negotiation between barack obama and john boehner last year. we don't know all of the pieces that were in it. they offered 8$800 billion in revenue and then on the spending cut side they offered $450 billion in cuts to medicare and medication and changes to the way social security benefits are calculated. a lot of things on the table here. big things both tax increases and spending decreases. it's going to take some combination of those to get to a deal here and it's sort of where they go on this menu of options that's going to lead to whether or not they have votes to do it on capitol hill. >> there's a detail there. cut through it for me if you will. a lot of people around seem to suggest that they're going to get this thing tied up really quite quickly. my concern is that obama is beginning to grandstand. if you look at who he's meeting with, it looks like he might be preparing for a huge fight for his legacy, which actually might push us further back than a lot of people have bargained for. >> what you'll see with obama meeting with progres
this was the secret negotiation between barack obama and john boehner last year. we don't know all of the pieces that were in it. they offered 8$800 billion in revenue and then on the spending cut side they offered $450 billion in cuts to medicare and medication and changes to the way social security benefits are calculated. a lot of things on the table here. big things both tax increases and spending decreases. it's going to take some combination of those to get to a deal here and it's sort of...
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. >> twice where we were with boehner. but might be the beginning of bargain point. but you get 820 billion. so there's another 800 billion. at this point, the others are saying no cuts to medicare, social security, or anything else. and they have to find another 800 billion. >> the president did not say -- >> we know he has to cut some of those. >> my guess is the gop is saying they're looking at a trillion dollars as the number. >> and you saw what paul ryan said. the house was re-elected. so people re-elected those people in the house for a reason. it's a nonstarter. it's not going to happen. it's not going to be 1.6 billion. 1.6 trillion. to get to four trillion, that would be 2.4. so we said that. he'll go not 3-1 like simpson bowles. he's go one and a half to one. >> that's not going to happen either. >> but what bothers me -- >> the problem is nothing is going to happen. >> what bothers me is i do think you can get to a point where you raise taxes too much and you don't cut spending enough, where you're just funding entitlements by raising taxes and you don't
. >> twice where we were with boehner. but might be the beginning of bargain point. but you get 820 billion. so there's another 800 billion. at this point, the others are saying no cuts to medicare, social security, or anything else. and they have to find another 800 billion. >> the president did not say -- >> we know he has to cut some of those. >> my guess is the gop is saying they're looking at a trillion dollars as the number. >> and you saw what paul ryan...
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you heard john boehner say that already. we've had voteses in the senate where we've gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think that the vast majority of measures agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem and that's uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. >> i think if the house stands for anything, it's cut government spending as tom coburn said and i think we'll have to do more of it. we heard the mandate in 2010 where it was a clear mandate cut spending and we did, we cut $900 billion in spending that he can't like painful tos us. >> we'll continue our call to rise bol politics and make a deal. oufr guests this morning include mike jackson and also david zaslav. and the head of maris group. and douglas holtz-eakin. >> let's talk about eurozone finance ministers meeting to discuss whether to release a new tranche of fund to go greece. the leaders are not expected it to okay the fun
you heard john boehner say that already. we've had voteses in the senate where we've gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think that the vast majority of measures agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem and that's uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. >> i think if the house stands for anything, it's cut government spending as tom coburn said...